Third Year Students Wake up[ Please

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I have been promised lots of work on Oliver Twist and till now no one has submitted anything. As i noticed, people prefer to visit the site and just end up with some kind of (whats all this about?) w khalas. I wont give up. Actually I still hope that by using this site very well we can make up for the waste of time that preceded the start of the course. Anyway here is a question for you. The quotation on page 7 which talks about hunger and ill usage..... can you comment about it please? IN your analysis i dont want you to just say who said it and the occasion and ect. No. I want you to express yourself and to comment from the two introductory lectures that we had about the charactersitics of the English novel. Am waiting for replies.

Can someone please tell 4th year ss that they have a link for the NOvel they study right here? Thank You.

;Hi

:My comment

.Charles Dickens here shows one of the main factors of the century which is "change". He represents this very well in the series of changes that will frame Oliver's life. This particular quotation comes as the beginning of this changes

According to Dickens, hunger and ill usage are two good reasons to make an orphan like Oliver to cry easily. This represents clearly the way people lived at that time, where almost everyone suffered from poverty and lack of sentimental care especially those who was born and grown up in workhouses. As it is obvious when he said "Mann gave him a thousand embraces, and, what Oliver wanted a great deal more, a piece of bread and butter", Mann wouldn't gave him "thousand embraces" if he hadn't begin crying

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Regarding the 4th year, I've told them about the forum today, but I guess you'll need to tell them by yourself to give them a second push forward to join us Because till now, I don't know what's their exact reaction Rolling Eyes

موضوع: I have a question.. السبت نوفمبر 24, 2007 8:04 pm

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we apologize dr.Abduljawad.

about my self

I have the answers ( the assignments ) but I was hesitating if I can answer here or at the lecture

I will bring the answers tomorrow insha'a allah

.

ASALAM ALAYKOM
Hi doctor,
idon't know what i should call you
but as you are teacher Abdulgawa elnady

when you explain especiallly,when you commen on quotation ,you speak quickly so much
and that make us don't understand very well

please, doctor
can you explain more slowly than you did and repeat it more than once
to understand and write the comment after you

but i knew your explaination is excellent but we need your slow speaking

actually, i felt frustration after the last lecture
because i didn't understand well

Accept my greetings

when iread this quotation more than once
i understand it but not enough

i remembered that you have said all the novels which were written in19th c,talking about individualism
and this novel was written at that century , talks about individualism
but idon't know if this quotation regarding this point(individualism
)
.if that is right ? tell me please and i actally didn't understant this point and what does individualism mean in this century?

i agree white darkness her expression

My comment;

It is an authorial intervention; the novel depicts the changes that took place in England during the Victorian age, it is negative changes were the number of orphans increased by the illegal birth of children or the family disintegration.

Oliver twist symbolizes them, here he suffers of bad treatment, hunger and instability; with such circumstances crying would be easy for him. We also have seen an ironical situation when the woman hug him and was sympathetic with him instead of feeding him. I think this bad treatment from the women shows the individualism and the selfishness of people at that time and the bad life of olive shows the ill treatment towards children.

(If I had made mistakes in my structure, I would be glad if you told me)

Elizabeth

i just want to thank MR.Abduljawad elnady
for his best doing to reduce from his speed speaking
in the lecture
bounce

and i have realized the lecture more than before

White Darkness كتب:

;Hi

:My comment

.Charles Dickens here shows one of the main factors of the century which is "change". He represents this very well in the series of changes that will frame Oliver's life. This particular quotation comes as the beginning of this changes

I ;I like what u said about change and i did talk about it many times in the lectures. Change is really a ajor concern in the novel which describes a society that moved from rural to industrial, from local to metropolitan etc. Characters change. events get complicated. Everything is in motion. Thnx 4 the idea.

According to Dickens, hunger and ill usage are two good reasons to make an orphan like Oliver to cry easily. This represents clearly the way people lived at that time, where almost everyone suffered from poverty and lack of sentimental care especially those who was born and grown up in workhouses. As it is obvious when he said "Mann gave him a thousand embraces, and, what Oliver wanted a great deal more, a piece of bread and butter", Mann wouldn't gave him "thousand embraces" if he hadn't begin crying

--------------------------------------------------------------------QuIte right but it would be better if u try top connect this quotation to the major themes andstructure of the novel like talking for a while about the previous part before the quotation then commenting on the quotation itself and then selecting for example the character of oliver to talk about etc. BUt ur contribution is so good. thank u

Regarding the 4th year, I've told them about the forum today, but I guess you'll need to tell them by yourself to give them a second push forward to join us Because till now, I don't know what's their exact reaction Rolling Eyes

femineity sense كتب:: i just want to thank MR.Abduljawad elnady
for his best doing to reduce from his speed speaking
in the lecture

and i have realized the lecture more than before

Jazaky Allah khiran and all the best

Elizabeth كتب:: My comment;

It is an authorial intervention; the novel depicts the changes that took place in England during the Victorian age, it is negative changes were the number of orphans increased by the illegal birth of children or the family disintegration.

Oliver twist symbolizes them, here he suffers of bad treatment, hunger and instability; with such circumstances crying would be easy for him. We also have seen an ironical situation when the woman hug him and was sympathetic with him instead of feeding him. I think this bad treatment from the women shows the individualism and the selfishness of people at that time and the bad life of olive shows the ill treatment towards children.

Are you talkkiung about the quotation in which therea re hunger and ill usage? OK. If so what u r saying is good but it needs more elaboration. ur language is very good and so is ur spelling. also ur mention of irony which can be elaborated more with other examples as when Dickens says the respected gentelman but he means something else. Thank u and dont worry about the structure, urs is v good.

(If I had made mistakes in my structure, I would be glad if you told me)

Elizabeth

[quote="femineity sense"]when iread this quotation more than once
i understand it but not enough

i remembered that you have said all the novels which were written in19th c,talking about individualism
and this novel was written at that century , talks about individualism
but idon't know if this quotation regarding this point(individualism
)
.if that is right ? tell me please and i actally didn't understant this point and what does individualism mean in this century?

i agree white darkness her expression[/quote

What is meant by the word individual? it means a person, one human being. when u say individualism its a trend, a school of thought, an ideology. what is suggested is: taking care of the personal or private concerns of people and not communbities. Fiorster said if he had to choose between betraying his country and betraying his friend he would betray his country. That is to say his individual preferences are better than the good of his community. all novels in that age talked about individulas and their problesma nd that is why we have names of peopole in the titles of novels like crusoe or guulliver or clarissa etc. the reason behind individulaism is that people lost faith in the church and in everything and began to trust only themselves. is it clearer now? thanks]

full stop كتب:: we apologize dr.Abduljawad.

about my self

I have the answers ( the assignments ) but I was hesitating if I can answer here or at the lecture

I will bring the answers tomorrow insha'a allah

.

Jazak Allahi khiran and most welcome any time

femineity sense كتب:: ASALAM ALAYKOM
Hi doctor,
idon't know what i should call you
but as you are teacher Abdulgawa elnady

when you explain especiallly,when you commen on quotation ,you speak quickly so much
and that make us don't understand very well

please, doctor
can you explain more slowly than you did and repeat it more than once
to understand and write the comment after you

but i knew your explaination is excellent but we need your slow speaking

actually, i felt frustration after the last lecture
because i didn't understand well

Accept my greetings

Thank u so much and am doing my best to speak as slow as i can. the problem is we have a vry short span of time left before the ned of the course. but ill do my best. i promise. salamo alikom and many thanks

thanks doctor for your explaination
its so clear & understandable

thanks again

and i wanna write my comments soon for some quotations
,and i ask u to correct it for me
to be full answer as u want us
bounce

to do in the final exam

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